Episode 6 • The Things That Stop Us: BEING HARASSED
In this longer episode, Amanda shares parts of her experience around being harassed over the last few years and 12 pieces of information she wishes she would have known while going through it. This episode is for people who are currently experiencing harassment or harassing communications, for people whose loved ones are experiencing these awful situations, or for caring people who simply want to learn more about harassment. Being harassed results in feeling unsafe on all levels; this lack of safety then results in our shutting down and our stopping our creative and entrepreneurial pursuits. The negative effects ripple out into our communities and the greater good; Amanda feels strongly that these effects need to be talked about so shame and fear can be released. While Amanda is not a mental health or legal professional, she shares bits of personal knowledge she’s gained over the years in the hopes that it will help someone experiencing this debilitating situation feel less alone.
TIME: 44:02
*Trigger warning: harassment, harassing communications
*Episode includes swearing.
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Welcome back to the podcast. This is your host, Amanda Perrot. I am so grateful that you are here joining me, listening to me. Yeah, today's episode. In the last few episodes I've talked about the things that stop us, the things that stop us from being seen, being heard, putting our work out there as business owners, entrepreneurs, creatives.
In today's episode, I am going to dive deep on harassment, on experiencing harassment. Now this episode is gonna be a bit longer than usual because I have a lot, I share a lot of tips and advice that I have had to come to learn over the last few years while being harassed. I do want to say issue, a trigger warning that this episode I will dive into a bit of my story about being harassed, but also in these tips and advice that I share.
There's all sorts of potential landmines when it comes to bringing up past trauma for listeners. So at any point if you have been harassed or stalked or anything like that, please listen. And do what you need to do to take care of yourself. If at any point this is too much for you, please take care of you.
This is supposed to be an informative episode to help others who are currently experiencing harassment or for listeners who have family, family members or friends or coworkers who are experiencing harassment. So again, trigger warning about harassment. And please just take care of you. So this episode I'm gonna share a bit about my story.
I'm not gonna go into a lot of it just for legal reasons. And then I will talk about ways that we can feel safe when we are feeling very unsafe by being harassed. And then why? My hope for, for you, if you are experiencing harassment, So on December 20, on December 1st, 2022, so just last December, that happened to be the day that the new Alcheme website launched, which I was so proud of.
It was months and months of labour, months and years of labour, and we launched the new, the new website, and I was just so proud. That day, December 1st, I happened to actually just be in an online workshop with one of my coaches and a group of wonderful women. So these are women that I've come to know over the last couple years, and they're, they're brilliant and beautiful and kind on that, in that workshop, I unexpectedly shared my story of being harassed over the last couple years.
And the overwhelm and the exhaustion and on what was supposed to be my day of celebration for the Alcheme launch, I was distracted by a harassing email I had received earlier that day. It was, it pissed me off. I was like, I don't wanna be distracted. I want to celebrate. But I needed to get it off my chest, and so I unexpectedly shared in that group.
Now, the women in this group were incredibly kind. One of them messaged me in the Zoom chat and said, Amanda, your messaging around sisterhood and support goes so much deeper now that I understand this experience of yours. And when I read that message, I breathed a sigh of relief. Because she saw me, she understood and she got it.
Creating safe spaces is of the utmost importance to me. I've experienced unsafe spaces both in the professional world and in personally, and they're really, really gross. And here at Alcheme, while I won't always get it right there, I will screw it up. I will definitely screw things up. You can trust that.
In the spaces that you join me, I will do my best. I will do everything I can as Amanda, as the human to ensure safety as its foundation. Because when we feel safe, we can use our voice to speak up. When we speak up, when we are visible and seen, we can create lives beyond our dreams. And really at the end of the day, that is what I want for you.
I want to support you in your dreams, in your businesses, in your creative pursuits. That is my calling, and I'm here to help you. Before we can dream, often though, we need to dig deep into what stops us. And so here I am sharing my story about harassment. Now. I'm sorry, just gimme one second. I'm just, I have notes on this, this, this episode.
I was actually originally gonna release it as a newsletter to my community. So if you're not on my community, go to alcheme life.com, A l c h e m e life.com and join my newsletter cause I send notes, some, some good stuff there. I was gonna originally send this or create this as a newsletter, but I decided to switch it to my podcast, to use my voice and to share to walk my talk. Even though it's very uncomfortable, this content has taken me months to get to a place where I can actually share it here and easy. Even as I am talking here my hands are shaking a bit because it's bringing back old stuff.
It's bringing back experiences from the last few years that were awful. And yeah, so the last few years I have been harassed through communication. So online, social, through social media, through email, also over the phone to my business and one instance in person Now, It's been, it's been quite the ride.
I did not anticipate this ever happening in my life. And I think for people that are harassed or stalked or whatever it is, we never anticipate it. And so it is blind. It blindsides us and it causes our mental, emotional, physical bodies to shut down. And that is what happened with me over the last few years.
So, But I know, I know that it's time to talk about it. It's time that I, I, I have gone through this with the help of coaches and counselors and therapists over the last few years, and if I can share a little bit of what I've done to move through it, then hopefully I can help at least one person. And if not, that's okay too because there is healing in sharing our stories.
So I was actually just talking with a friend last week and I told, I told my friend, I said, this person who has been harassing me has been, there's charges have been laid, but they have not been arrested yet. And my friend asked, well, what's what's required for that to happen, for it to get to that point?
And I went into my office and I pulled out the file folder of evidence and they said, wow. Because this stack of papers was all the documentation that I've gathered over the last few years. And it's, it's been. It's been quite the ride, the sheer chaos and panic and fear and terror that I have felt while being attacked is really hard to describe.
I don't know that I can describe it. It's one of those situations that. Until you are in it, you have no, no clue. And it is my hope that you never experienced this level of harassment or fear. But if you do know that you are not alone. Now, one of my friends a few years ago shared their experience with me about being stalked and my response at that time because I didn't know better - because I didn't, had never experienced anything like it - was, there must be something in you that is attracting this. And I share that with shame and regret. I, I'm embarrassed to share that I, that was my response. I just didn't know better.
And so part of me sharing here is that even if you haven't been harassed, or haven't been stalked, or haven't been any of those awful things, that if somebody that you know is going through it to. Be kind and to not, to, to not solve the problem or not point a finger back at that person because that's the last thing that they need.
So I've since apologized to my friend for that response. And now that I know I will do better moving forward. So before I dive into my 12 pieces of advice, I wanna back up a bit and talk about what harassment is. So Oxford languages online, their definition of harassment as a noun is aggressive pressure or intimidation from, for me, this aggressive pressure or intimidation has showed up in the form of ,like I've mentioned, social media and emails, phone calls, in person interactions. The nature of these attacks are extremely unkind. Like yeah. Just the, the worst things that you could imagine someone saying about you that but yeah, basically like yelling at you. And I just, I laugh cause I, I'm kind of transporting myself back into those situations and, and I remember the feeling every time I would read an email or encounter a phone call that my body would immediately start to shake.
Immediately. So this is my nervous system. This is my fight flight, freeze reaction coming in full force. And it was this underlying or not this, this overwhelming fear and terror that I was not safe. So regardless of the form of communication, of harassing communication, The predominant feeling and sensation in my body and in my mind was that I'm not safe.
I'm not safe. I'm not safe. It's an awful feeling to have when this harassment initially started. That feeling of, I am not safe, and my body's shaking, it would last. And then like, my mind was kind of scrambled. And like this brain fog, like the, the physiological and physical things that your body does when it is being attacked is, Quite incredible actually in my, my experience.
And the effects are long lasting. So initially I would have, I've experienced these reactions, these strong, physical, mental, emotional, physiological reactions, and they would last for days, days, days, weeks. And what that meant is that I couldn't necessarily function that well. Oh, I couldn't, I just couldn't function that well.
At work at my, my business that I own. So 1st Choice Graphics and and my other business Grounded Goodness, which is now turned into Alcheme. My coworkers and team members, thank God for them, they. Helped me through so much that they don't even, they don't even understand the depth of, of my gratitude for them because they were often there, like frontline witnessing me experiencing these these situations.
And yeah, it was awful. As time went on, as the years went on, my reactions lessened. I was able to move through them these experiences a lot more quickly. Now it's at the point where I can observe an email and move through it very quickly. My body will shake for a few minutes and because I have done so much work, And gotten a lot of support from professionals.
I know that I can come back to myself fairly quickly, but this is again, is not something that I wish on anybody. I don't wish that anybody would have to practice their reactions and responses to harassment. As I say that, there's this anger that comes up. That is like, why the fuck do I have to practice my responses and reactions?
Yeah, and I think I'm sharing that this little bit of anger, because the anger is real, the anger is there and we, by discounting it, are dismissing it or saying that we should be stronger. We do ourselves a massive disservice. So, yeah, I just, I want to share the physical, mental, emotional toll that this has had on me.
And this is just like, this is just skimming the surface. I don't want to go into the details in great depth because of legal issues, because it's not resolved legally. But I do wanna share that experiencing harassment of any form is a thing and we need to be, as a society, more aware of it. Because what happens, the people that are on the receiving end of the harassment, we hide.
We hide, and it affects our abilities to show up as humans and to take care of those that we love. It affects our ability to do our jobs. There is a real society, societal negative implication about being har on being harassed. We don't often talk about it because there's so much shame. We often think that.
We did something to deserve this, so we don't talk about it because then if we talk about it and share, then those around us will think that we did something wrong. The truth is we don't do. Nobody deserves to be harassed or stalked at all. Nobody deserves that. And so I'm here today to share a bit of my story, to share my advice to kind of rip the bandaid off, to let the wound air and to support anybody who is potentially moving through this.
I am just moving forward to my notes here. So the overall goal, the goal for anybody that is experiencing harassment, because we feel so unsafe. The goal is to feel safe. To feel safe. And what that means is different for everybody. But I'm gonna share what I've done over the last few years. To feel safe,
I just need my coffee. So, Number one, so to provide safety for myself, here are some things I've had to do and understand over the last few years. My first point is don't just accept it. Sometimes we're told that we need to accept it. For example, one thing that I kept hearing, especially related to business, is you're going to have haters if you reach a certain level of success as part of making it.
And I heard that a lot. Oftentimes I would share over the last few years about how I had shut down, like in an, in email newsletters or whatever with my community. And sometimes the responses were like very, like the intention was very encouraging. Like, you've made it, you have harassment. Cool. I think that that kind of thinking is is dangerous in that it is too generalized and it teaches us that we need to tolerate all levels of harassment. So it's one thing to be able to block a jealous, nasty one, one off, I emphasize one off online comments and move, move on. So yeah, if you are more visible and you are putting yourself, yourself, and your work out there, yes, you will likely have.
Nasty comments. But to just accept it. We, we leave a lot of the gray area in terms of the levels of harassment that we are experiencing. If these one-off comments as awful as they may be, if they are just one-offs, we can block, delete, do what we need to do, you know, have people help us sift through our messages, comments, dms, all those things.
And we can get the support fairly easily. I would say. It's not easy. It's not easy. But that can be dealt with and that is a, a skill that requires skill to move through that for sure. I'm not diminishing anybody who has experienced that type of harassment, that's not it at all. But I, I don't know that we can lump everything together cause it's next level to endure repeated harassments. Online and in person, and we don't have to put up with it if it's causing us repeated harm. My second point here is say stop to the person who is causing harm, but only if you feel safe enough to do so. This communication can come from you or from a trusted friend or family member or colleague.
Be clear, this is not okay. You need to stop. If it doesn't stop, trust your gut to take further action and saying, stop is absolutely optional because sometimes not engaging is the best choice. So you may feel safe enough to say, stop and stand up and be like, no, this is not okay. And sometimes you may not.
That is okay too. You know, you trust your gut, you know the situation. What's going to work for you. In this instance, me sharing this point is simply to give you permission that sometimes you need to say stop and it's okay. So if that's what you're leaning towards, definitely say stop. My third point is send a screenshot of the criminal harassment or harassing communications sections of the criminal code of Canada or similar, depending on where you live to the person. So again, if you feel safe to do so, if you don't don't, don't do this. But if you do this is an option. One of my friends actually did this after months of being harassed and at that point the harassment stopped. So that's an option. My fourth point is to block slash filter. So on whatever platform or email service that you use, there's a block slash filter option. Now, it might not be a perfect solution, so for example, in Gmail, I have found that I needed to filter the emails out to a different folder. And this was great.
And then I didn't have to see the new emails pop up amongst my work emails, but crappy. And that the emails still kept coming. Right. And when I would talk to friends and family about this and that, how a lot of this harassing communication was via email, it was emails that I kept getting. One of the common responses was why don't you just like block or don't look at the emails or whatever that is.
And, and which is a fair point. That's a fair point. And I did my best to block and not look at the emails. And when you, when you are being harassed, there's a couple things that are happening. One is that because you do not feel safe, you are hyper vigilant. You are in a state of hypervigilance, and so your nervous system is cranked right up, and you need to know if you are safe in any given moment.
So while it's like a weird double-edged sword, the one side being just don't look at the emails. The other side being, I need to know if I'm safe. I need to know if I need to be aware of anything. I need to know if this person is threatening to come to my office. I need to know these things. So there's one part of you that knows it's healthier to not engage and not just not to look at the things, but there's other part of you that needs to know that you're safe.
So there is that aspect that a lot of people don't, aren't aware of, right? It's, again, it's one of those things that you don't know until you're in it. And the upside of a filter, like where the email still exists, is that it provides beautiful documentation if, if the situation needs to proceed further to police intervention.
So there is that. On that note, my fifth point is to document everything. So not only the date and time of the communications or interactions, but also the context and how it made you feel. So for example, like unsafe on edge, et cetera, and how it affected your day-to-day life. So, for example I was so anxious that day that I couldn't show up as a business owner to serve my customers and my community.
And that's actually me. I wrote that down in one, one instance. This will become important if the matter goes to the police and further to the courts. That documentation is important. Oftentimes when we start being harassed it's, it's awful and it's uncomfortable and we don't wanna deal with it.
So anything that, anything that is additionally required of our time, including documentation, we don't want to do it because it's gross, but I strongly, strongly encourage you to document. So whether that's like taking screenshots, putting it in a separate folder on your computer writing a, a document and just like the date and time, just quick paragraphs, like whatever that is just to document and really, really get it down, that I cannot emphasize that strongly enough.
My next point, number six is, Talk to the police. If it reaches a point where you're like, this is not okay, this is not ending. Oh my God, I don't feel safe like this. You will. You will know. You will know or talk to friends or family like, okay, this is where I'm at. What do you think? Should I get help?
And oftentimes the people around us will urge us to get help before we will, because we will. Con continually think that we should be stronger, that we can handle this. So trust your trusted ones, the people around you and, and go to the police. So if that, whether that's a phone call stopping into a detachment let, letting them know what's happening, it's worth, it's worth a shot to just go have the conversation.
They will in turn let you know what, if anything can be done. Sometimes they'll say that there's not enough evidence to pursue charges, and that's super frustrating because you're like putting yourself out there, you're asking for help, but then it's kind of met, it's met with nothing, right? So that's extremely, extremely frustrating.
Cause it feels like it's going nowhere. If the harassment continues. Keep asking for help. You just keep asking, keep asking for help. In our system, our system is so overburdened with so many things that harassment or harassing communications is not necessarily a high priority, right? There's so many more awful things happening in our society that the police have to take care of.
But just keep asking for help. You eventually, if, if it continues, might have to give a statement to just lay it all out there. What's happening, the dates, the times, and this is where that documentation really comes in handy. If you do have to give a statement, ask a friend or family member to go with you if you want to be in the waiting room and help you process afterward.
That's extremely helpful just to know that you're not alone. Cause it's a weird experience. Nobody, nobody ever thinks that they have to go to the, the police station to, to give a statement like it's a weird situation. But another point is talk to a lawyer. So getting legal advice helps break down the overwhelm.
So what can be done, what the process is, what potential outcomes are that can help give you a peace of mind. So it's just not so overwhelming. You can like Google lawyers in your area send them an email, give them a call, ask them what direction that you should go in, and if they can't help you, ask them to refer to some, refer you to somebody who can help, who specializes in the area that you in harass in harassment or harassing communications.
Phone calls are free, so ask, just ask or ask a, a friend loved one to, to make those phone calls for you if you are just not. If you were tapped out my next point is finding a counselor or therapist to help you navigate the stress or trauma that you were experiencing. So we are not meant to deal with this alone.
Being harassed is such an isolating experience that people who are harassed tend to just, again, like I said, just hide. So asking for help is the bravest thing that you can do when you are experience experiencing this. Asking for professional help is extremely brave. So my finding a therapist has been one of the biggest ways that I've, that I've helped myself and just know that there's no shame in getting help.
I know that it's one of the most courageous things that you can do. Now it's fucking crazy. The person who was harassing me said, I think it was like that I'm not strong because they somehow found out that I was like going to counseling. Like that was their line that I am not strong for enduring their repeated harassment.
Because I'm going to get help for it. It is, that's the most backwards, fucked up thing I have maybe ever heard. Right? To be shamed for getting help for the harm that that person is causing you. That is a cluster, like that is a mind fuck. Right? And so I say this point, like emphatically of getting help, counseling, therapy, whatever it is.
There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it is like, so, it is so courageous and brave because there's so much coming up for you that you can't deal with, that you've never been taught how to deal with for good reason. Nobody ever thinks that they're gonna be the victim of harassment. So there are trained professionals who can help you, help you navigate it, right?
So you can function better as a human so you can show up for yourself and your people that need you. And so if anybody ever says getting help therapy or counseling is like, makes you weak, you tell 'em to go fuck themselves and Amanda will have your back because nope, we are not standing for that anymore.
We are not. The truth is the people doing the harassing, really, if they had gotten help, they, we wouldn't, nobody would be in this situation, right. But that's not the case. And again, that's where the anger comes up. It's like, why, why do I have to be the one that's dealing with this that's cleaning up the mess?
It's, it's true insanity. Really. It is. And that's why it's just so confusing for people who are harassed, cause it's like, what is happening? I don't understand this. But again, you're not alone. You're not alone in this. My, this goes to my next point. Don't isolate yourself from your friends and family.
So I get it. There's like that, that line, that thought that I should be stronger, you know, whatever that is. But also we don't wanna burden our loved ones with our stress and the worry that comes with like this really awful situation. I kept the severity of my situation mostly to myself and a few close family members, friends and team members.
But it was really lonely, especially in the beginning. I didn't share because I thought I should be able to handle it. I thought that it was something that I did. And I didn't really wanna burden my friends and family, me family members, cause they're all going through their own stuff, their own life.
And it, it's intense, right? But I slowly learned that asking trusted non, non-judgmental friends to simply listen to me vent. And, and key to not give advice, but just to vent is one of the kindest things I could do for myself because when we have, when we voice our experience, we let air reach the wound and we can heal.
That's the thing. People that are doing the harassment want you to hide. They don't want the world to know that this is happening. But it's through the courage to ask for help, to speak up, to share our experiences that things shift and change, and that we are allowed to heal. My next point is that you don't deserve this.
You don't deserve this. So internally, there's a weird, illogical sense of shame that comes in. I must deserve, this was one of the thoughts that that floated in my mind over and over. We can't understand why people harass, because we don't harass. So our brains try to make sense of it and look for a reason, but you really, you will not make sense of it and you don't deserve it.
So do not shrink down. My next point is you don't deserve this. So externally you might receive judgment that you clearly did something wrong. Like you clearly did something wrong to deserve this. You started a fight, you whatever it was. You don't, you don't deserve this because in my experience with healers and people like that is that sometimes there's this very strong You attracted this, you attracted this.
There's something that attracted this to you. I, I don't believe that. I believe that sometimes things show up in our lives that yeah, we're meant to work through, but we didn't actually attract it. It's just like, okay, yeah, we don't fucking deserve it. Nobody deserves this shit. You're not a bad person.
You didn't attract it. You do not deserve this. And it's funny cause in my, over the last few years, I've had a quite a few people say that to me and mostly, not, mostly people have been very kind and supportive. But I've had a few people like say there must be something in you that's attracting this and you have my, if somebody said that to you, you have my permission and encouragement to say, actually no, I am working through this. You are saying this. That I attracted. This places the blame once again on me, and I have beat myself up enough through this. I need support to work through this, not judgment that I'm not doing enough inner work or clearing the blocks or any of that shit.
So thank you. I feel really strongly about this because, because being harassed is so isolating. That whenever we do reach out as to like, to chat about it with the friends or family members and, and that gets thrown back at us, it causes us to shut down further. And, and I'm saying this as somebody who was a friend or family with that friend of mine who was like, oh, you must have done something to attract this.
It's, that's awful. It's just awful. And it's not what, what it's required to help. So as much as we try to help, it's not, it's really not helping. So as a friend or family member, if you can ask yourself or ask the person, what do you need right now? What do you need from me right now? And just sit in the discomfort of not knowing, of their not knowing.
Oftentimes our goal is to help. To help is to help. And to do that we must fix, but fixing it or putting it back on the person to do the work is not kind. So just being with that person. And that goes to my last point, harassment is difficult for those around us to understand. Before I experienced harassment, I didn't understand it.
In that situation in the past where I was really ignorant with my friend it was, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to admit that I was so naive and so ignorant. I, I regret that instead of supporting her, I alienated her from receiving support. So, like I said, I've apologized since. But I do think that there's, you know, it may be something that, that needs to be continually acknowledged and apologized for because there's always this, this hurt and this wound and this wall that gets put up.
Yeah, it's, it's it's just an interesting dynamic and it kind of just fucking sucks. So I understand now that people experiencing harassment need more support and less judgment, even if we can't fully understand what it feels like, because what it feels like is terrifying. It's actually terrifying.
So that's my list, that's my 12 points. I will put this in the show notes for, for easy reference, but I, I do wanna say that I understand that some of these solutions, these 12 points that I've come up with and shared here, come from a place, a place of privilege in that. I have a good support system.
I have friends and family around me that, that support me. I can also financially afford to get the help that I need. So through, through therapy or counseling or whatever that looks like now, I, I. There's so many people that suffer that do not have the resources to take care of themselves to, to talk to lawyers, to do what needs to be done.
And so if you are one of those people that are listening to this and you are like, all this sounds amazing, but like, fuck you, because I cannot. I can't afford that. I can't do that. Reach out to our team and while I am not trained in any of this on the counseling, the therapy, like legal stuff, like any of it, I am not trained on any of that stuff.
I'm here. Simply offer an offering advice on what I, based on what I've done. Reach out to our team. Hello@alchemelife.com. So hello@alchemelife.com. And. We will do our best to find, help you find supports in your area. I know that this is, maybe I may be overstretching in, in what we can do to support because we are a very small team.
Like right now there's two of us. So we may, we may not be able to find you support that you need, but please just reach out and we'll see what we can do. So doing and understanding these 12 things has helped me. And if sharing my experience opens the door for even one person to get help, it's worth it.
If hearing this helps you support someone who is experiencing harassment, then that's worth it too. Now, every item on this list is uncomfortable. If you are experiencing harassment and you do any of these things, they will make you sweat, cry, and question if it is worth the discomfort, but, I know that oh my gosh, sorry. My notes are like, ah, super special. Yeah. It's very, very uncomfortable to move through these things to, to take action on these things because our instinct is to fight, flight, or freeze, and doing these things goes against all of that. And so but if you can move through, Take just a bit of action instead of ignoring it, you might get a sense of relief and a slight sense of confidence that you can, you can move through this.
And so while it's a uncomfortable, it can also give you a slight sense of control in a time when you feel no control whatsoever. In my experience, I have some, some space and time and distance from the intensity, the most intense part of this harassment. And so I've realized that, that while it's a stress to say that, that this is happening for me.
Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not there yet. I do know that this situation has taught me resilience. It's not my resilience and knowing that I can endure gross amounts of hatred and anger and projection and can move through, it makes me realize that I can ask for help. That it's not weak, that it's actually an act of courage.
It's also made me realize that. I can set boundaries that I can follow through on those boundaries. It's made me, in a sense, unfuckwithable, unfuckwithable and that there will be people in life who attack, who cause harm, and I can move through that. And if I can move through that, I can move through a lot.
My goal in all of this is to share bits of my story, to share some tips that I've learned just as a, from Amanda, the human, not Amanda, the professional trained person. That's not it at all. So again, this is not me telling you what to do. This is me sharing what I've done and how it's helped me. So my hope is that nobody ever has to experience harassment or harassing communications.
It is awful. It is debilitating and it makes a person question so many things. But my, my goal with this episode is to. To share in a very real way, a very somber, sobering way, the realities of moving through harassment, and that again, by doing so, it lets air to the wound. It heals. It heals me. It helps those experience harassment and it helps loved ones and friends and family members of those experience and harassment to better understand on a very human level what this actu, what it actually means, what it feels like.
If you have any questions, email us@helloalchemelife.com. I'm not sure that we can support, but we will do our best. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen and I want you to know that you've got this, that you're not alone, and that by moving through, you can speak up, use your voice, share your stories, and in doing so, the ripple effects are huge.
All right. Thank you so much.
